Go back and look ...
We also ran 3.7.2.c3; we'd still be there if it were as great as some of
you guys think it is!
There doesn't seem to be much info from Lucent execs about V.34.
Where's the accountability on V.34? Why not a 3.7.2.c4 ... ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Woods <jwoods@delta.com>
To: portmaster-users@livingston.com <portmaster-users@livingston.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: (PM) Stable v.90
|At 12:14 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
|
|>We are running b15.
|
|Then go back to 3.7.2c3, the last RELEASE version of the code. Right now,
|the MOST you can expect out of BETA code is that if it was good enough to
|be release code, it would not be BETA code.
|
|BETA CODE CARRIES RISKS.
|
|THE BETA TESTER ASSUMES ALL LIABILITIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE RISKS.
|
|Lucent expects as much or MORE out of you than you out of them -- as a beta
|tester, you should be offering DETAILED reports to Lucent about your
|experiences, with NO expectation of a QUICK FIX in return.
|
|IMO, anyone who runs BETA software or firmware in a PRODUCTION environment
|and then bitches about the result is a fool.
|
|I am waiting for 3.8.0 RELEASE (non-BETA). Believe me, though, if THAT has
|bugs, then I'll scream like a Banshee.
|
|Take your time, Lucent, get it RIGHT, not RIGHT NOW.
|
|main()
|
| while(1)
| prints("a beta is ");
| }
|
|>
|>Our most common problem is aborted connections of duration under one
minute
|>(aborted at user request per the log); typically 8 or 10 customer attempts
|>to get a connection to run as long as they wish; Karl Denninger of mcs.net
|>may have more meaningful info as he has a much larger site.
|>
|>-----Original Message-----
|>From: Scott Drassinower <scottd@cloud9.net>
|>To: Larry Vaden <vaden@texoma.net>
|>Cc: Mark Peugeot <mark@ptw.com>; portmaster-users@livingston.com
|><portmaster-users@livingston.com>
|>Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 12:03 PM
|>Subject: Re: (PM) Stable v.90
|>
|>
|>|
|>|What release are you running that you're having V.34 problems?
|>|
|>|Are they with all sorts of client modems, or just certain modems?
|>|
|>|--
|>| Scott M. Drassinower scottd@cloud9.net
|>| Cloud 9 Consulting, Inc. White Plains, NY
|>| +1 914 696-4000 http://www.cloud9.net
|>|
|>|On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Larry Vaden wrote:
|>|
|>|> I'm talking about V.34 problems.
|>|>
|>|> -----Original Message-----
|>|> From: Scott Drassinower <scottd@cloud9.net>
|>|> To: Larry Vaden <vaden@texoma.net>
|>|> Cc: Mark Peugeot <mark@ptw.com>; portmaster-users@livingston.com
|>|> <portmaster-users@livingston.com>
|>|> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 11:50 AM
|>|> Subject: Re: (PM) Stable v.90
|>|>
|>|>
|>|> |
|>|> |On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Larry Vaden wrote:
|>|> |
|>|> |> Finally, a realist who understands that the cumulative costs to
2,000
|>|> ISPs
|>|> |> could be in the same range as "millions of dollars" a day.
|>|> |
|>|> |I don't really think that there are 2000 ISPs who are using PM3s and
who
|>|> |are losing "millions of dollars" a day cumulatively. If 2000 ISPs
lost
|>|> |about a dozen $15/month accounts a day, you're only about a third of
the
|>|> |way to a million. If they are losing accounts like this, the problem
|>|> |isn't with Lucent's development.
|>|> |
|>|> |How many people have cancelled accounts with you because you didn't
have
|>|> |V.90 support or they were unable to use your V.90 connection? Are you
|>|> |really hemorrhaging so much cash because of V.90 troubles? If you (or
|>|> |other people) are, is Lucent to blame, or could it be due to not
|>following
|>|> |directions and betting everything on beta code, or perhaps telling
your
|>|> |customers about the virtues of V.90 without telling them about its
|>|> |problems?
|>|> |
|>|> |--
|>|> | Scott M. Drassinower scottd@cloud9.net
|>|> | Cloud 9 Consulting, Inc. White Plains, NY
|>|> | +1 914 696-4000 http://www.cloud9.net
|>|> |
|>|> |
|>|> |
|>|>
|>|>
|>|
|>|
|>
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