Re: (PM) v.90 code

Jim Scott (jscott@infoconex.com)
Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:11:14 -0700

For some of you why dont you go out and get a USR server and upgraded to
v.90 to serve the people you are saying you are loosing waiting till
september. Seems to me if you are loosing as many people as you make it
sound like you are loosing it would be worth going out and dropping another
10 grand. Then you would have the best of both worlds.

Just my 2 cents

JIm

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Kruckenberg <pete@inquo.net>
To: portmaster-users@livingston.com <portmaster-users@livingston.com>
Cc: sales@livingston.com <sales@livingston.com>; support@livingston.com
<support@livingston.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: (PM) v.90 code

>On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Roy wrote:
>
>> Rather than ragging on the list, I sent a note to the sales department
>> with the hope that they had a better path to upper management. The
>> short story is
>
>This was the /exact/ same thing with the initial PM-3 code release, then
>again with the 56Flex release, and now with the v.90 thing.
>
>Something like:
>
>1. New product/feature announced by industry
>2. USR/3Com releases unstable "release" code
>3. USR/3Com releases patches to make "release" code usable
>4. Livingston releases unstable beta
>5. Livingston ISPs start losing customers to USR/3Com ISPs
>6. Livingston ISPs ask Livingston for update after month+ of no updates
>7. Livingston ISPs scream at Livingston mailing list--no response
>8. Livingston ISPs scream at Livingston sales department--no response
>9. Livingston ISPs start leaving Livingston for USR/3Com to save business
>10. Livingston says (first peep out of them in months) delay is to release
> stable code and will be out "soon"
>11. Go back to 4 at least one time
>12. Livingston releases next beta which is stable enough to slow migration
> of customers to USR/3Com ISPs
>13. Livingston releases final release with 20 new features that nobody
> needs but finally has stable code everyone waited for
>14. Wait a month, go back to Step 1.
>
>With the PM-3 and 56Flex (which both had their own "oops" announcement
>violently rebuked by the non-marketing Livingston people), the reason for
>this whole thing was that Livingston was privately held and underfinanced
>and understaffed, but that was good for ISPs because Livingston cares
>about ISPs.
>
>Now Livingston has Lucent, and supposedly the near-infinite resources of
>Lucent and still the same thing where they're asking ISPs who have bet
>hundreds of thousands or more on their platform and are losing customers
>because not only can Livingston not produce code, they can't produce any
>information either.
>
>I wish I could sell my customers the awesome future, but unfortunately
>most of them are very short-sited and just want what works today. That
>means they are again seeing that our choice of Livingston has set us not
>days or weeks but months behind what all of their friends and co-workers
>have, and they're starting to question whether we are cheap or just
>stupid.
>
>Woo hoo, is anyone awake there at the Lucent RABU?
>
>Pete Kruckenberg
>inQuo
>
>> 1. Roy said :I am losing customers because of lack of V.90:
>>
>> 2. Sales said :Try the beta:
>>
>> 3. Roy said :The beta doesn't work satisfactorily:
>>
>> 4. Sales said :We will report this to support:
>>
>> 5. Support said :If the beta gives you problems, back out:
>>
>> 6. Go to step 1
>>
>>
>> I wonder if there are deep problems in the Lucent V.90 that are not
>> software and they are desperate to find a fix that doesn't involve
>> recalling every K56FLEX card.
>>
>> Roy
>
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