Re: [jack.rickard@boardwatch.com: Re: (PM) Re: Nationwide Access - Please no Dweebs (fwd)]

Jake Messinger (jake@ams.com)
Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:12:32 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Joe Sasek wrote:

> Karl et all..
>
> I do take exception to the statement by Jack that Livingston "sucked".

This is why Lucent stock jumped 5 points yesterday. ;-P

> Its very unfortunate that a magazine that started out to service and inform
> unobjectively the ISP community has obviously fallen victim to money. USR

It happens with ALL of them. Look at PC Ragazine.

> We are not perfect, have never claimed to be, but Jack's "opinion" of
> Livingston I think would be highly suspect by the great majority of our
> users in this case. Livingston/Lucent Remote Access Unit owes most of its

Certainly its not a very professional designation and isnt he supposed to
be a professional?

> success to ISP's as customers. (we were selling products to ISP's 3 years
> ahead of any other manufacturer even acknowledging that they were a
> "market"). Thanks Karl for your defense, as we both know you are not

PM 11's RULED! (and still do at some isp's). Nothing touched what they
could do at the time. and that is NOT emotion talking.

Man this thread has become a book, im not going to re-echo it. and I
havent really said much in this thread up to this point. But I pretty much
agree with you, Joe. And I try to be objective. I use, sell and support
what WORKS best.

I think where Lucent Rabu really shines is the software dept. The PM 3
hardware IS very nicely designed but its the software that REALLY gets the
job done. USR has to have 16 megs to do the same thing that Lucent does in
4. And does anyone give Livingston credit (or royalties) for inventing
Radius?

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