Re: 2400 baud support? Get real!

Dan Geiger (dang@livingston.com)
Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:57:58 -0800

At 10:47 AM 11/21/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
> in the real world there are a lot of 2400 links for data transfer
>of many types.
>
> mail and financial hubs come to mind. even though faster and
>better is cheaper than it used to be, why upgrade a link that does
>hundreds to millions of really small "total byte count" transactions
>daily...
>
> how fast can you transfer 256 bytes back and forth when you
>process a credit card? :)
>
> to the best of my knowledge financial institutions have a time
>limit on "is money there, and give it to me" processing time and doesnt it
>take quite a bit longer to connect at a higher data rate with the
>negotiation process? if so... this is quite REAL... $$$ are very real...
>
> i believe livingston made the right choice in terms of
>compatibility... their internal release timeframe is their business and
>they are accountable for it reguardless of the new code.
>
> what im wondering is do the new "digital modems" support class
>(insert number here) faxing or whatever...

no fax capability. but if it were to have fax capability, what application
would you use that capability for?

dan

i pry missed it in the
>announcement or havent bothered to go look....
>
>--->
>Robert H. Hanson Cutting Edge Communications, Inc.
>Otis Orchards, Wa. Regional Commercial Internet Service Provider
>(509) 927-9541 email: roberth@cet.com - http://www.cet.com/
>
>
>
>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Prof Jake Messinger wrote:
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>> Maybe there are some issues I am not considering or not aware of but here
>> are my thoughts...
>>
>> It is utterly ridiculous that this arguement even exists. Why should
>> Livingston spend time making their product downward compatible with a
>> standard developed 10 years ago? I would rather that they spend time
>> developing new products and supporting products which work with today's
>> technology.
>>
>> I am trying to put myself in the shoes of a proponent of 2400 baud
>> support. The cost of a 14,400 modem (which WILL operate at 2400 baud if
>> necessary) is $50 USD and Ive seen used ones for $30. So price should not
>> be an issue. I just threw away about 20 external and internal 2400 baud
>> modems because I had no use for them.
>>
>> Then could it be a technical issue? One person mentioned something about
>> cellular calls and that their average successful connection is 2400 baud.
>> I don't think this accounts for much of the market. And for that small
>> part of the market that needs cellular internet connection, they most
>> probably could afford better equipment or better service in order to
>> achieve 9600 baud or better. I certainly would NOT put up with cellular
>> internet connection at anything less.
>>
>> Okay now I will put myself in Livingston's shoes. They are market driven.
>> They sell what the majority of the market wants. I dont think the majority
>> of their market wants or needs 2400 baud support. I just dont see how that
>> could be possible.
>>
>> On the other hand, if 2400 baud support is something that could easily be
>> added, then they might as well do it. They must consider the costs of any
>> software redesign and its implications. Sometimes fixing one problem
>> causes another. I am sure they have considered this.
>>
>> My personal feeling is as long as there are people that say that they must
>> have 2400 baud support, the market is holding itself back! I say we should
>> forget anything below 14400 and look to the future, which by the way,
>> should logically move away from using analog technology to digital. Modems
>> have always been a backwards way to connect networks together. They
>> take digital signals, modulate them to analog sounds in the range of 3 to
>> 3.3khz so that the phone co equipment can carry it on equipment intended
>> for voice, then demodulate it on the other end back into digital data.
>> This is silly to do when one considers that the phone co CO's connect via
>> digital lines.
>>
>> Which brings me to another arguement, and that is, why why WHY does the
>> phone co charge MORE for digital lines? There is less for them to do, less
>> equipment, less problems, more control. And why do term adapters still
>> cost so much more than modems? Arent they basically just a protocol
>> converter? I guess I'll have to ask that on the comp.modems llist.
>>
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>> (Don't steal my squigglies)
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Dan Geiger
Product Marketing
Livingston Enterprises
dang@livingston.com
510-737-2155
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