Re: (usr-tc) Re: (PM) Max 4060, PM3, BAY 8000, AS3000 or USR

Chris Adams (cadams@ro.com)
17 Jan 1998 02:59:27 GMT

According to Jake Messinger <jake@ams.com>:
>On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, MegaZone wrote:
>> Once upon a time Ming Lu shaped the electrons to say...
>> >Speak of experience, livingstone PM3 is cheap, but is is also cheap made.
>> >I used them twice (my customers bought them). PM3 only support RIP and
>> >limited OSPF functions, not even VLSM. Tech Support was very lousy too;
>> >one of senior engineer told me that VLSM was not a part of OSPF
>> >spec...:-).
>>
>> This is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
>
>Its his opinion wrong as it may be.

But he is wrong on facts. That is not an opinion - he is spreading
false information.

>> The PM-3 did OSPF *DAY ONE* with FULL VLSM and CIDR. Even OSPF NSSA,
>
>Oh that part. Are you sure it did ospf since day 1? There was some MAJOR
>feature that the very first pm 3's were missing but it was so lng ago I
>forgot. It must have been quickly added.

I don't know about OSPF NSSA (don't know much about that except Not So
Stubby Areas; could someone explain it to me?), but it did OSPF since
the first one we got (which was either late November or early December
1996) with ComOS 3.5, which was the first shipping version of the OS for
the PM3.

>The thing that got me, was that he said it was cheaply made. Ive been in
>this business for 20 years, and I can say that the PM 3 is VERY well made,
>much better even that the PM 2, especially if you compare it to the pipe
>50 or the max. Im talking about physical construction here.

Our old analog dialup pool used Xyplex terminal servers. We were always
hesitant to use the rack mount ears, as the made the whole front of the
unit feel like it was going to snap off.

We also have a couple of Ascend MAX 1800s, and they are not terribly
well constructed either (and aren't as reliable).

>You want to see a cheaply made unit, try a pipe 50. Weak plastic cases, no
>power switches, no port labels on the back, a flimsy switch that did
>nothing, etc...

That switch does something: it tells you which load of software you have
to get from Ascend every day.

I don't see how someone could say anything about the PM3 is cheap except
for the price.

-- 
Chris Adams - cadams@ro.com
System Administrator - Renaissance Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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